Sylvia gifts us this teaching: that nurturing childrens inner lives can be woven into the fabric of our days and that nurturing ourselves is also good for the children and everyone else in our lives. We know joy to be a life-giving, resilience-making human birthright. BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: We have a profile today of Krista Tippett, the host of the weekly public radio conversation "Speaking of Faith," which won a Peabody Award this week. And I know that when I discovered it for myself as a teenager that I thought, Oh, this is more like music where its like something is expressing itself to you and you are expressing yourself to it. people could point to us with the arrows they make in their minds. its like staring into an original In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. I would say about 50 percent, maybe 60 percent of it was written during the pandemic. Tippett: Yeah, it was completely unnatural. And when people describe you as a poet, theyll talk about things about intimacy and emotional sincerity and your observations of the natural world. Find Krista Tippett's email address, contact information, LinkedIn, Twitter, other social media and more. Who am I to live? Right? And poetry, and poetry. And whats good for my body and my mental health. All of those things. Yeah. Tacos. Because you did write a great essay called Taco Truck Saved my Marriage.. They bring our nervous system and heartbeat and breath into sync and even into sync with other bodies around us. and the one that is so relieved to finally be home. Limn: Yeah. We hold each other. God, which I dont think were going to get to talk about today. It wasnt functional in a way. I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. of the kneeling and the rising and the looking Krista Tippett is the author of Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living and the host of the national public radio show and podcast On Being. in the ground, under the feast up above. And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. I write the year, seems like a year you in an endless cave, the song that says my bones Good, good. Becoming Wise: An Inquiry into the Mystery and Art of Living. Actually, thats in Bright Dead Things. On Being with Krista Tippett On Being Studios Poetry Unbound On Being Studios Becoming Wise On Being Studios This Movie Changed Me On Being Studios Creating Our Own Lives On Being Studios More ways to shop: Find an Apple Store or other retailer near you. to the field, something to get through before From the earliest years of his career, he investigated how emotions are coded in the muscles of our faces, and how they serve as moral sensory systems. He was called on as Emojis evolved; he consulted on Pete Docters groundbreaking movie Inside Out. the date at the top of a letter; though We understand questions as technologies and virtues as social arts. She is a former host of the poetry podcast The Slowdown, and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. She loves the ocean. In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. In a political and cultural space that rewards certainty, ferments argument, and hastens closure, we nourish and resource the interplay between inner life, outer life, and life together. Exit And I wonder if you think about your teenage self, who fell in love with poetry. It sends us back to work with the raw materials of our lives, understanding that these are always the materials even of change at a cosmic or a societal level. So its actually about fostering yourself in the sun, in the right place, creating the right habitat. And it says, You are here. And I felt like every day Id write a poem was literally putting that little, You are here dot on a map. That is real but its not the whole story of us. Wisdom Practices and Digital Retreats (Coming in 2023). So I think thats where, for me, I found any sort of sense of spirituality or belonging. Articles by Krista Tippett on Muck Rack. Adventures into what can replenish and orient us in this wild ride of a time to be alive: biomimicry and the science of awe; spiritual contrarianism and social creativity; pause and poetry and more towards stretching into this world ahead with dignity . And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. Editor's note: This Q&A has been adapted from the podcast "Interfaith America with Eboo Patel.". But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. I have a lot of poems that basically are that. One of the most popular episodes in the history of "On Being," the 15-year-old public-radio program hosted by the honey-voiced Krista Tippett, is a conversation Tippett had more than ten years ago with the late Irish poet and philosopher John O'Donohue on the subject of the inner landscape of beauty. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. And both parents all four of my parents, I should say would point those things out, that special quality of connectedness that the natural world offers us. Limn: Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. Yeah. and isnt that enough? So Sundays were a different kind of practice, if you will, a different kind of observation. Only my head is for you. Theres also how I stand in the field across from the street, thats another way because Im farther from people and therefore more likely to be alone. So would you read, its called Before, page 46. has lost everything, when its not a weapon, Limn: Yeah. hoping our team wins. Yeah. Its a source of a spiritual thoughtfulness that runs through this conversation with Krista. creeks, two highways, two stepparents Tippett: And also, I read somewhere that Sundays were a day that you were moving back and forth between your two homes, your parents divorced and everybody remarried. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. Limn: Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. But then I just examine all the different ways of being quiet. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, The On Being Project But its true. has an unsung third stanza, something brutal It wasnt used as a tool. and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. So it was always this level in which what was being created and made as he was in my life was always musical. Each of us imprints the people in the world around us . adrienne maree brown "We are in a time of new suns" On Being with Krista Tippett Society & Culture "What a time to be alive," adrienne maree brown has written. And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. Renamed On Being with Krista Tippett, the show was broadcast on more than 400 stations nationwide and, as a podcast, was regularly downloaded millions of times a month. Also because so much of whats been and again, its not just in the past, what has happened, has been happening below the level of consciousness in our bodies. I feel like theres so many elements to that discovery. And I knew that at 15. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. And so its giving room to have those failures be a breaking open and for someone else to stand in it and bring whatever they want to it. We point out the stars that make Orion as we take out And I think when were talking about this, were talking about who we are right now, because were all carrying this. Yeah. And this is about your childhood, right? Like, Oh, take a deep breath. Then we get annoyed when it works, too. Then three years later, Tippett left American Public Media to create her own production company, Krista Tippett Public Productions, which has aligned with WNYC/New York Public Radio to distribute the show to affiliates nationwide. Krista Tippett. You ever think you could cry so hard And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. And the next one is Dead Stars. Which follows a little bit in terms of how do we live in this time of catastrophe that also calls us to rise and to learn and to evolve. Weve come this far, survived this much. In between my tasks, I find a dead fledgling, I dont even mourn him, just all matter-of-, fact-like take the trowel, plant the limp body, thing, forever close-eyed, under a green plant, in the ground, under the feast up above. Limn: I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. And I kept thinking how I missed all my family, and I missed my father and his wife, and I missed my mother and stepfather. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. All year, Ive said, You know whats funny? maybe dove, maybe dunno to be honest, too embryonic, too see-through and wee. Between. , there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. And then there are times in a life, and in the life of the world, where only a poem perhaps in the form of the lyrics of a song, or a half sentence we ourselves write down can touch the mystery of ourselves, and the mystery of others. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, Tippett: In The Hurting Kind. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. A few years ago, Krista hosted an event in Detroit a city in flux on the theme of raising children. And I knew immediately that it was a love poem and a loss poem. Something that you reflect on a lot that I would love to just draw you out on a bit is I think people who love language the most, and work with language, also are most intensely aware of the limits of language, and thats partly why youre working so hard. We literally. Yeah. And I think it was that. nest rigged high in the maple. And I feel like theres a level of mystery thats allowed in the poem that feels like, Okay, I can maybe read this into it, I can put myself into it, and it becomes sort of its own thing. That its not my neighborhood, and they look beautiful. She loves human beings. red glare and then there are the bombs. should write, huge and round and awful. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. Tippett: But we dont need to belabor that. Limn: Yeah. Dont get me wrong, I do, like the flag, how it undulates in the wind. Funny thing about grief, its hold Limn: Yeah. So its a very special place. With. It suddenly just falls apart, and I feel like there are moments that I travel a lot in South America, with my husband, and by the end of the second week, my brain has gone. like sustenance, a song where the notes are sung And the Sonoma Coast is a really special place in terms of how its been preserved and protected throughout the years. Tippett: Ada Limn is the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. with a new hosta under the main feeder. I dont know why this, but this. And I remember reading it was Elizabeth Bishops One Art, and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. I have decided that Im here in this world to be moved by love and [to] let myself be moved by beauty. Which is such a wonderful mission statement. We surface this as a companion for the frontiers we are all on just by virtue of being alive in this time. Our closing music was composed by Gautam Srikishan. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. Sometimes it feels like language and poetry, I often start with sounds. if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. And I think for all of us, kind of mark this, which is important. is an independent nonprofit production of The On Being Project. (Always, always there is war and bombs.) Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower. In the modern western world, vocation was equated with work. The phrase mental health itself makes less and less sense in light of the wild interactivity we can now see between what weve falsely compartmentalized as physical, emotional, mental, even spiritual. We have been in the sun. Tippett: I do feel like you were one of the people who was really writing with care and precision and curiosity about what we were going through. And I think most poets are drawn to that because it feels like what were always trying to do is say something that cant always entirely be said, even in the poem, even in the completed poem. Her volume The Carrying won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her book Bright Dead Things was a finalist for the National Book Award. Special thanks this week to Daniel Slager, Yanna Demkiewicz, and Katie Hill at Milkweed Editions. Science and the Human Spirit. The one that always misses where Im not. Many have turned to David Whyte for his gorgeous, life-giving poetry and his wisdom at the interplay of theology, psychology, and leadership his insistence on the power of a beautiful question and of everyday words amidst the drama of work as well as the drama of life. Yeah. Or, Im suffering, or Right. , and its a villanelle, so its got a very strict rhyme scheme. Tippett: Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. And also that notion and these are other things you said that poetry recognizes our wholeness. of age. We havent read much from The Carrying, which is a wonderful book. the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost Tippett: That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. And it felt like this is the language of reciprocity. We can forget this. But let me say, I was taken If you think about it, its not a good, song. for all its gross tenderness, a joke told in a sunbeam. But I think you are a prodigy for growing older and wiser. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course. Thats such a wonderful question. Seems like a good place for a close-eyed Limn: Yeah, I think theres so much value in grief. [laughs] And I think Id just like to end with a few more poems. Limn: And to feel that moment of everyone recognizing what it is to kind of look out for one another and have to do that in the antithesis of who we are, which was to separate. wind? Peabody Award-winning host Krista Tippett presents a live, in-person recording of the wildly popular On Being podcast, featuring guest speaker Isabel Wilkerson. Limn: Yeah. And it often falls apart from me. And also that phrase, as Ive aged. You say that a lot and I would like to tell you that you have a lot more aging to do. These full-body experiences of isolation and ungrieved losses and loneliness and fear and uncertainty. And if I had to condense you as a poet into a couple of words, I actually think youre about and these are words you use also wholeness and balance. Im really longing I realized as I was preparing for this, Im just Of course, I read poetry, I read a lot of poetry in these last years, but I realized Im craving hearing poetry. Nothing, nothing is funny. This idea of original belonging, that we are home, that we have enough, that we are enough. Limn: And then you go, Oh no, no, thats just recycling. So thats in the poem. So that even when youre talking about the natural world: we are of it not in it. My body is for me.. And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. Limn: Yeah. Im Krista Tippett, and this is On Being. Tippett: Thank you. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. And so I think my investigation or my curiosity is not so much talking about poetry, but about where poetry comes from in us and what poetry works in us. Limn: Oh, definitely. I feel like theres a level in which it offers us a place to be that feels closer to who we are, because there is always that interesting moment where someone asks you who you are, even just the simple question of, How are you? If we really took a minute to think about it, How am I? Centuries of pleasure before us and after. And for us, it was Sundays. Well, a lot of us I think are still a little agoraphobic. For me, I have pain, so Ive moved through the body in pain. And both parents all four of my parents, I should say would point those things out, that special quality of connectedness that the natural world offers us. We journalists, she wrote, "can summon outrage in five words or I will say this poem began I was telling you how poems begin and sometimes with sounds, sometimes with images This was a sound of, you know when everyone rolls out their recycling at the same time. I am human, enough I am alone and I am desperate, enough of the animal saving me, enough of the high. And that there was this break when we moved from pictographic language, which is characters which directly refer to the things spoken, and when we moved to the phonetic alphabet. I think thats very true. This definitely speaks to that. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. I think I trusted its unknowing and its mystery in a way that I distrusted maybe other forms of writing up until then. The Osprey Foundation a catalyst for empowered, healthy, and fulfilled lives. The On Being Project is located on Dakota land. Its Spanish and English, and Im trying, and Ill look at him and be like, How much degrees is it?. And now Ill just say it again: they are the publisher of the 24th Poet Laureate of the United States. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. And the Lilly Endowment, an Indianapolis-based, private family foundation dedicated to its founders interests in religion, community development, and education. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. So I think there was a lot of, not only was it music, but then it was music in Spanish. Theres this poem which Ive never heard anybody ask you to read called Where the Circles Overlap, . Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. We touch each other. And when so much of the natural world was burned, and I kept thinking about all the trees and the birds and the wildlife. like water, elemental, and best when its humbled, The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Limn: Yeah. Tippett: A lot of them are in the On Being studio, they come in the mail. Yeah, there wasnt a religious practice. This is not a problem. we never sing, the third that mentions no refuge not forgetting and star bodies and frozen birds, You may also catch references to things seen and witnessed throughout the event including a stunning opening poem by our dear friend Maria Popova, composed of On Being show titles which you can take in fully by viewing the recorded celebration in its entirety on our YouTube channel. It is the world and the trees and the grasses and the birds looking back. But its about more than that. and hand, the space between. Ada Limn reads her poem, "Dead Stars.". But I also feel a little bit out of practice with this live event thing. Yeah. And you also wrote about that, and you also wrote this essay. Woodworking and the meaning of life. How are you?. a need to nestle deep into the safekeeping of sky. Theres daytime silent when I stare, and nighttime silent when I do things. Why that color? rough wind, chicken legs, We believe healthy spiritual inquiry propels us outside the boundaries of the self, into the world. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. Dont get me wrong, I do I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. Page 20. What follows is the transcript of an On Being interview between Krista Tippett and Andrew Solomon, Parker Palmer and Anita Barrows. And to feel that moment of everyone recognizing what it is to kind of look out for one another and have to do that in the antithesis of who we are, which was to separate. would happen if we decided to survive more? Tippett: Which also makes it spiritual practice. Tippett: Yeah. And were you writing The Hurting Kind during the pandemic and lockdown? 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