So I got the mags from a third party seller and have refused to do business with them ever since. Its pretty much just SA and RRA (and maybe a few tiny shops, but those are pretty much the only two big gun makers in Illinois). my first AR was a rock river arms rrage. All of these rifles are vastly superior to Ruger. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. If RRA really didnt know about this, then their next steps should be to cancel their membership in IFMA, denounce the lobying they did, and maybe start looking to move. Pick something and follow it. Seems like a stand up guy to me. After further review, Rock River Arms, Inc. (RRA) is immediately severing all ties with the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA). We feel that IFMAs integrity is compromised and we will not be a part of the organization. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. Dont need it, but I kinda like it. I would move EVERYTHING 25 miles West to Davenport Iowa. I also find their use of Springfield Armory in their advertising repulsive, implying over 240 years of history in the current company, starting in 1777. Smith and Wessons deal with the Klinton regime also brought us the infamous and deplorable hillary hole internal lock. With the Hillarys loss there is no longer a looming gun ban on the horizon and the firearm industry and market is facing a correction. The Ceo needs to retire, and everyone on the upper levels canned to. Half of those are national groups out of Washington, D.C., that have set up shop inSpringfield hotels. How many model airplanes can I buy, sell or trade in one year? Not a smart move in a buyers market, or any really. Magpul moved to WY. Grow the hell up and when you get some big boy panties and own your own business you will understand how it works. It will make my future purchases easier because two manufacturers are automatically removed from my search and consideration. The LWRC, DD and BCM are ALL over $1300. So thats a reason for ignoring the fact that Ruger basically wrote the assault weapons ban? Watch the TonyBen videos on YouTube. There should be a hall of shame for betrayals (and later repentances) by gun companies. Is there a list somewhere? Thats how capitalism works. Advertise their treachery. thats the one ive just stopped considering. I am happy with my Polytech. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. Post interesting results everywhere. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. They also make an Original Henry Rifle. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. So how is screwing your loyal customer base and flipping them the bird to their faces sound business policy? Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. If they pull funding from the group well have some decent evidence that they didnt and dont support this carve out and are catching crap for something which they had no part in creating. An American didnt screw all other American gun-owners. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. Well after reading this and let me add no love for blue Illinois my days with SA are over. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. Rock River booth at the NRA convention, owner Chuck Larson has professed innocence in the matter. Cant beat that! If your going to bash or boycott one then bash and boycott all. But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. I have talked to people in person in TN that were overjoyed at having Beretta move there. Wasnt there big stink couple years ago about so called kitchen table FFLs not realy conducting business for living and just getting wholesale pricing on guns for themselves and their family members? I would say that Ruger has done more to support the 2A than all other companies combined. However, the R-51 is a bear to clean and still hasnt proven itself totally for CC, coming off its well documented ill fated Gen 1 launch and Remingtons continued reliability issues. If you know youre going to lose 50% off sticker driving something new off the lot, odds are you keep looking. WebRock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer that produces a variety of rifles, pistols, and parts for civilian, law enforcement, and military markets. Tony- IFMA is SAs and RRAs lobbying firm(as opposed to an existing firm that SA hired. Rock River Arms has built a reputation as a quality maker of modern sporting rifles and offers an extremely diverse list of models and options. The company makes a wide variety of weapons, including AR-15 and M16 rifles, as well as pistols, shotguns, and bolt-action rifles. WebRock River Arms creates high quality rifles and pistols on the AR platform. So in a nutshell Ruger and Springfield are now on the list. No more. I would have called my lawyer, the NRA and a publicist. Now I wish I had not. Robert, and we, the honest and dedicated advocates of the 2A and gun owners stand by TTAG in this. Until I see some evidence that they knew of and/or supported this I will not rush to blame RRA for what a trade industry group that they happen to fund did. It only sells a 100% American Made product using American Labor. Whats more, Larsonseems genuinely appalled by what happened. The firearms community will be better without them. Nothing Springfield will ever be in my collection now. Performance Tuned. If IFMA had stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the NRA-ILA, the Illinois State Rifle Association, Guns Save Lifeand the National Shooting Sports Foundation working as a team to oppose this egregiousbill wed have had a good chance of depriving anti-gunners of a badly needed win. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. Shame! Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins. A corrupt Illinois politician. That alone is enough to put them out of business. Moved my medical business AND brought my family. They MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Whats left after the hate which never leaves? Free Shipping On Most Rifles, Upper Halves And Complete Lower Halves. Gun owners should have bankrupted Ruger immediately, but they didnt. Rock River Arms has a reputation for making high quality AR-15s, but they also have a reputation for being expensive. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. Yes I am planning on moving. Or how much it was going to take to replace them? NOW all I can think is SHAME ON YOU!!!!!! Except they are both under different ownership today. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. I had the EMP4 Contour and a TRP on my 2017 list. (Im a 30 yr Vet). Local politicians always give tax incentives to move. No offense meant, I was just pointing out that Springfield Armory has no connection to the city of Springfield Illinois. Start by giving everyone involved a TSA-style probe. You can bet our sport; Henry wouldnt have gone along with that. Your arguments are supercilious and embarrassingly logic free. I have a BM-59 kit that still needs to be built. If CTD notices panic buying, shuts down their site and reprices everything, thats their right. This is a digital day/night scope. Good for them. I really wanted a trp and a cqb but oh well will get something from another manufacturer. All have been accurate and reliable. Thankfully, we still have two more chances to stop this travesty of a bill. RRA IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT CAN MAKE A RELIABLE AR-10. So, youre not buying a bunch of Springfields new pistols? I asked one. F them. Two more companies added to my do not buy from list. Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. Not cheap by any stretch of the imagination, but check out Fulton Armory: http://www.fulton-armory.com/M14-Rifles.aspx. Glad I happened upon this article. And theyre telling their friends. Are you reading-impaired? I got a 12 2a armament Mlok handguard from them for $148.97 and free shipping in September. I have an SA Profesional that I really like and was strongly considering a Custom Carry, but this turn of events gives me a real pause to that idea. Who Makes Rock River Arms? Wrong. Its easy for consumers to march elsewhere, skilled Illinois tradespeople may not be so lucky. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. That is their only 2 clients because it only exists and was created for them. So Rock River spent at least $50.000 fund the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. The RRA LAR-15 is a quality gun, in just about any configuration you can come up with. Apples and suspension bridges here. Might see if you can find one to test out. Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. It was a great decision, I have never looked back. CZ-75/85 are great guns. No offense intended. The law doesnt get past the senate without Springfields cooperation. The Ruger is berween $6-700. Then beg for forgiveness. Wow, the article on Reese is incredible. Some times they have deals. My SA 1911 Loaded Target has been my favorite pistol since I bought it last year. About three years ago, RRAs Elite Operator hit the market sporting features designed specifically for professionals. Not everyone reads TTAG or keeps up with this sort of in the weeds stuff. Have you not been following this story? I want to see how they fix the mess they created with the people who liked their product. I dont expect everyone to feel that way. Of course lobbyists have the highest ethical standards, so thats just crazy talk. Thats not fighting to protect gun owners. I live in Illinois. The Rock River Arms LAR-15 RRage 3G 5.56/.223 Rifle is a semi-auto rifle that delivers accurate shooting in a dependable platform with a clean, trim look. Whats the hangup for SA? WebRock River Arms RAGE AR-15 Rifle 5.56 Nato / .223 Rem, 16" BBL, 6 Position Stock, M-LOK Free Float Rail, 30 Round, LAR-15M - Model DS1850 Carbine. They ignored it. Does anyone really buy RRAs BS, We didnt know? AR Parts. Never, ever. When I contacted Springfield about getting some spare magazines for my M1A, they told me they wouldnt sell to me because I lived in New York. SA, who knows, maybe they can retool to make manure spreaders. Its enough of a turnaround that I forgive their earlier sins.. When Colorado banned high cap magazines magpul moved to Texas. Also, RRA derives the bulk of its money from government and LE contracts so youll have a really hard time bankrupting them with a civvie sales boycott. But I struggle with the NEVER AGAIN WILL I EVER SUPPORT THIS COMPANY. Enjoy 45% Off Rock River Arms Goods At Walmart. Well do our part in other states to support you. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! As I said on Thursday, when it comes to RRA I was, and still am, unsure if they had any foreknowledge of what was about to occur. How did Ruger even survive to do a turn-around? That doesnt change whats actually been proven that was three years ago. You can not name another firearms manufacture today that has done more than Ruger to support the NRA, the 2A and firearms owners. I totally agree Travis. They mustve been channeling Bill Ruger. After the 2004 sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban, AR pistols developed rapidly and have become popular. No Springfield guns for me. cant hornor us people gun rights I say F THEM ALL. Having this blow up the day before a brand-new product launch at the NRA convention is basically the exact opposite of fortuitous timings for Springfield. But when you have a muti million dollar company thats set up in a state thats you cant just pick up and move then you do what you have to do to survive. Major mistake, Springfield. Ruger today is a strong supporter of everything 2A. Yes, very disappointed. Damage done. Going the other direction nobody would move. The plant where that rifle is made revitalized the area n which it is made. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. The lobbyist for the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association (IFMA), Jay Keller,traded that groups opposition to the bill in exchange for a carve-out, removing PrairieState firearms manufacturers from the licensing requirements. The silent majority will get the shaft, not gonna be any civil war, get over yourself. As far as the betrayal, bear in mind that it was the act of a couple of people and unfortunately there are plenty of freedom loving 2nd Amendment supporters working for SA that will be harmed by their bad judgement. Since you researched IFMA you also noticed that the $100K was the ONLY money they had in their account, donated by only two companies, SAI and RRA. To be fair- since Bill Rugers death, the company has done a complete 180. Well I will see if I can make a good trade for STI, Para, or a cz had a cz 85 combat one time and traded it, was a real good gun in a 9 mm.Things like this is realy bad just cant trust anyone anymore. The news of Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms selling Illinois gun dealers and gun owners down the river continues to spread among The People of The Gun. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. Its sad but it happens. Some would disagree. Screw CTD. Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. Fuck them for gouging desperate buyers. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. CTD are dirtbags plain and simple. They keep voting for F#$%ing Democrats. I am still trying to figure out how best to get rid of my XD-40 and assist in flooding the market with used XD pistols. they should have fought not laid over. After Bill Ruger died, Ruger also dramatically changed direction. Bummer, I was considering a Springfield 1911 at some point. They spent weeks trying to gin up interest in the XD-E introduction with their mysterious ads, and it was all for nothing. Helps to have the older experience but not insurmountable. Springfield, on the other hand, has gone silent. Rugers stated public position was screw every other gun manufacturer and screw the American gun owners, as long as Ruger makes it and we want government contracts! Springfield is DEAD to me. Peoplr lose jobs, get divorced, buy better guns and so on. I dont have anything from either of the turncoat manufacturers and based on their actions, I never will. If you dont support Ruger you dont support American ideals. After his passing, a new leadership took over the company with many positive results. Well also work on the NRA to start taking a firmer stance against rogue anti-2A manufacturers, no matter how much advertising space they buy. Hopefully this boycott will pass over with minimal job loss to the common machinist. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. No, they stood by and let their customers get screwed. That is amazingly You should buy a BCM, Daniel Defense, or LWRC. As an Illinois dealer, I will no longer stock, sell or support Rock River Arms or Springfield Armory products. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions.. It happens ALL THE TIME, and with companies much larger than RRA. Its transfers. There are millions of people in the US who no longer think that its enough to fight and die for these rights. An xdm9 and a 1911 loaded. Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. Looked at a custom SA 1911 before purchasing an STI. This companys name is Mudd. Im a New Yorker. Theyve come to the heart of flyover country because they know their anti-2A dogwont hunt back in Washington. Glad I waited. Who Makes Rock River Arms? When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. Be everywhere until the bill is toast. I posted a similar comment on another article about the same subject matter, but again, and for emphasis: SPRINGFIELD IS DEAD TO ME. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. That guy knows the M14 and M1a rifles. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. They rebrand the HS2000 as the XD and jack up the price $200. Make this a massive intractable mess. Sorry for the spelling error. September 30, 2010 By Greg Rodriguez. When no one else had any left. CTD is my last choice. And unbelievably stupid of Springfield. They have no ethics. Typical narrow minded hypocrites. It may not even pass the House. If you apply more than 9 make-ups in a year, you are in cosmetology businesses. +1, they are a bunch of liars praying on the ignorant. Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. After Ruger (finally) gets all of its new products launched they will have just about all the bases covered. First, they co-opt the name of a famous military armory to start a business with absolutely no ties to the original Springfield. Everyone here is minding our business, because its our business where our money goes. RRA should be punished too. They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. As far as the trigger, if the RRA has the 2-stage trigger, it is much better than the stag. This rifle also has an RRA TRO-XL extended free float rail handguard and an accuracy of 3/4 MOA at 100 Yards. Obviously Springfield and others have not learned this lesson and are going down the same road. is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders. The RRAGE pistol features a 10.5-inch barrel. Ive spoken with a couple of bigger dealers in Illinois in the past 24 hours. My 1911 search continues and Ill never purchase a Springfield. Good for them, too. 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